Xbox Live DRM Eating My Lunch

Way, way back on September 21, my third Xbox 360 crapped out on me and I had to get it repaired.  They sent me a fourth Xbox and I got to face the Xbox Live DRM beast for the third time.

Let me recap the DRM problem for posterity:

When you purchase an Xbox Live Arcade game (or a theme, or some gamer pics, or video, or whatever), the content gets licensed to two things: your Xbox Live gamer profile and the console that you originally purchased the content on.  That means that I can buy Pac Man and my wife can fire up the Xbox and play without me being logged in, even though I was the one who bought it.  This is key since I might buy us a game we both want to play and I sometimes take my profile to friends' houses to play so I'm not there to log in.

When you get your console repaired and they send you a new console, the content is only licensed to your gamer profile.  Further, because of that, you need to be logged in to Xbox Live in order to use it - you can't use it offline.  What this translates to is that if I buy Pac Man and my wife wants to play it, she has to log in, then she has to start up a second controller and log me in so the game is activated and she can play.  This breaks down if the network is down, if Xbox Live is down, or if I've taken my profile elsewhere.

This latest time around, they changed up the process so now, rather than getting "points after repair" to re-purchase your stuff, you have to have them flip some bits on their end to let you delete and re-download your content.  Hypothetically, you should be able to delete and re-download and it will fix the need for your profile to be connected to Xbox Live (so you could play things offline) but it doesn't re-license the console.

Regardless, none of this worked for me.  I couldn't play anything offline and I couldn't get my console re-licensed.

Following their process, I opened a call with them to get this resolved.  On October 27, it was "escalated to Microsoft Support" and there should have been a resolution in 30 days.  I've called back a few times after the 30 day mark and get a lot of "we'll call you back in 5 business days" extensions, but no one ever calls.  Needless to say, I'm pissed.

This compounded with the latest dashboard update that was released last week.  I tried logging in on Friday and was told that there was a dashboard update to take before I could connect to Xbox Live.

Xbox Dashboard Update Available

No problem - I told it to take the update.  Instantly I got a "can't download this update" message.

Xbox Dashboard Update Failed

Huh?  I tested the network connection and got success (up until the Xbox Live portion of the test, which won't connect to Xbox Live unless you take the update, which is my problem.)

Xbox Live Connection Test Failed

So I called Xbox Live Support.  I ran them through my existing issue (still waiting on the DRM solution) before explaining that now I have an all new issue.

Normally I am reasonably tolerant of their support.  They walk you through some basic troubleshooting steps and get you a supervisor if they can't resolve it.  Not this time.  Oh, no, not this time.

This time the guy, who barely spoke intelligible English, started with some basic troubleshooting - test the network connection, etc. - then went into "more drastic measures" mode.  First he tried to convince me that changing my home network around so I connect the Xbox directly to the cable modem would solve it.  No, I don't think I'm going to do that because I'm pretty sure the network connection test passed.  Then he said I needed to "delete all of my game data."

Whoa, whoa, whoa.  What?

Yeah, "delete all of my game data."  That includes arcade games, saved game data, everything.  I prompted the guy, asking him, "um, wouldn't it be OK if I just moved it to a memory card?"  "Oh, yeah," he said, "you could do that, too."  Brilliance.

So I start moving all of my saved games over to my 64MB memory card while I'm on hold and he's researching things.  I quickly realize that I have a lot of saved games - some to games I don't even own anymore - so I do some housekeeping, too.  I delete the arcade games I know I can re-download anyway and start moving my important saved games over to the memory card.  I got about halfway in when I actually found a saved game that refused to be moved, and that was about the time when the support guy came back on the phone.  I asked him what to do.

"You mean the saved game won't let you move it to a new device?"  No, that's the problem.  "Wow... uh... can you copy it?"  Sure, copying works, but will that affect anything?  "Um... uh... How far have you gotten in copying your data?"  Not far.  "Do you have a memory card that will hold all of your data?"  No - I have 2.2GB of data and a 64MB memory card.  You do the math.  "Hmmm... uh, well, before you finish doing that, I have something else to try."

An alternative?  Okay, let's do it.

"Delete your profile.  When it asks you to delete profile and items, just say to delete the profile only.  We're going to do a profile recovery and see if that fixes things."  Are you sure?  I've tried getting this update with five different profiles here and it's not working.  I'm pretty sure it's not my profile.  "Yeah, just go ahead and do that."

So I did.  Deleted my profile.  I've had to recover my profile before, so I didn't think it'd be a big deal...

...except that you have to connect to Xbox Live to recover your profile and I can't connect to Xbox Live because I can't take the new dashboard update.

Well, shit.

See, now my Xbox is pretty effectively bricked.  I don't have my profile and I can't recover it.  Jenn can't play any of the arcade games we have because you have to have my profile logged in for them to work.  I can't move my remaining saved game data off the hard drive because you have to be logged in to do that, so I can't finish testing the guy's "saved game data" theory.

This was the point where I lost my cool.  I didn't cuss the guy out because, well, that's not terribly productive.  But I did tell him that we've entered the realm of "you guys need to compensate me for this crap because, through no fault of my own, I've now got a doorstop sitting in the middle of my home theater and service that I've paid for is not being rendered to me."

The support guy, ever apologetic, agreed.

And now this call has been escalated to "Microsoft Support" and I should hear back sometime today.  Forgive me if I don't have a lot of confidence in that, seeing as how the last call that got escalated has somehow been lost in the ether.

Good going, Xbox DRM people.  Thanks for everything.

Print | posted @ Monday, December 10, 2007 10:11 AM

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Gravatar # re: Xbox Live DRM Eating My Lunch
by dan at 12/12/2007 9:48 PM


I just wrote a big article about this same issue:
http://www.consolecomplaints.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=4&p=4#p4

See what you think, and if you agree, please Digg the article. Let's not let this bullcrap continue without publicity.
Gravatar # re: Xbox Live DRM Eating My Lunch
by ROBBY at 12/14/2007 8:03 PM

When do you expect an answer for this problem, Because I have the same problem to.I will check back later but let us know when u expect an answer. Thanks!
Gravatar # re: Xbox Live DRM Eating My Lunch
by ty at 12/22/2007 4:41 PM

my xbox just did the same thing.... i was playing halo 3 if that helps and it just stopped. i didn't hack it or anything, so..... idk.
Gravatar # re: Xbox Live DRM Eating My Lunch
by Curt at 12/25/2007 7:40 AM

i can sign on 2 xbox live for certain games

and then i cant update any new game i jus got..

like i jus got madden and i cant download the update so i cant play online...

idk wats up wit that
Gravatar # re: Xbox Live DRM Eating My Lunch
by Adam at 5/2/2008 11:04 PM

Stupid thing just happened to me today after getting gta4 and trying to go online to play. did everything possible it said to online... god im so frustrated..... if anyone knows a solution email me back.
Gravatar # re: Xbox Live DRM Eating My Lunch
by Mel at 7/15/2008 2:33 AM

Hey Adam,
Had same problem with GTA4 spent all weekend wrecking my head to fix it!!! The console kept shutting out of sessions saying my NAT is too strict. I* didnt have a clue what this was, so i rang xbox and they gave me these port numbers that i needed to open to play this game! Ports? i hear u ask well i didnt have a clue so i rang my trusty broadband providers and they were about as helpful as you can imagine so ii was on my own. I googled my problem and got back that i had to log into my Router, well i didnt even know i had a router!!! I thought i had a modem but turns out i do! So i tried that, by putting my ip address into to the google toolbar, it bought up my router poge took me 2 days to work out how to change the password to enter tht page and change stuff. Everyone i spoke to said i had to add Ports and change NAT. Not so, all i did was enable my UPnP and now i have flawless gameplay, well i do get booted off xbox live occasionally cos lets face it the whole bloody system is flawed!!!! Hope this helps!!!

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